Part One: Sodom and Gomorrah

Critique of Matthew Vine’s video “God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships”

Part One: Sodom and Gomorrah

It’s important to reiterate that this critique is primarily aimed at Matthew Vine’s video “God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships” in which he asserts that there is a place in Christianity in which long-term, committed same-sex relationships are accepted. Secondary to my examination and criticism, it will be necessary to address certain ‘hot-button’ topics such as homosexuality as a sin, increased perversion of the secular world in which same-sex relationship are encouraged to grow, and the consequences of sin. I fully expect to be attacked from all sides in an attempt to batter me verbally into submission, change or soften my criticism, or intimidate me into reacting in a non-Christian way and then using that to discredit my argument. Oh well. To these type of people, let me say this: there is no insult you can throw at me that I haven’t heard and laughed at before, there is no tactic of logic that I haven’t encountered multiple times, and there is no dirt you can dig up on me that will even come close to the sins I have committed. The Lord has equipped me with the armor I need to withstand whatever opposition comes against me. (Ephesians 6:11-18)  It is also necessary to mention that the words you say will be forever enshrined. Try to keep in mind that your mother did not raise you this way.

I have prayed and agonized over this subject. My heart weeps for the countless gays who seek a relationship with Jesus, and I continue to have faith that those who struggle with same-sex desires and have the conviction of Spirit will surrender to Christ completely, without reservation or condition. The commentary and interpretation of scripture by Matthew Vine is an absolute detriment to any homosexual wanting to reconcile their lifestyle with the Gospel. The well-known Christian Apologist Michael Brown said “We can interpret the Bible through the lens of our sexuality, or we can interpret our sexuality through the lens of the Bible.” Mr. Vine’s video attempts to twist certain scriptures in order to justify same-sex unions, and this is a very troubling misrepresentation of the Word.

Over the next few days and weeks I will address the specific verses mentioned by Mr. Vine and show you that there is no gray area in the Bible when it comes to the sin of homosexuality. I actually have his entire dialogue from the video and could very easily refute his rationale, but for this series I’ve been led to clarify and magnify the truth of the Word of God by taking every verse Mr. Vine uses to support his case. If you have any questions or comments, please don’t hesitate to contact me.

The first Biblical reference on the video speaks of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. At the .53 second mark of the video, Matthew Vine says:

” The most famous (Biblical) passage is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. God sends two angels disguised as men into the city of Sodom, where the men of Sodom threaten to rape them. The angels blind the men, and God destroys the city. For centuries, this story was interpreted as God’s judgment on same-sex relations, but the only form of same-sex behavior described is a threatened gang rape.”

A listener who is unaware of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, or has scant knowledge of it, would be led to believe that God destroyed the city as a result of a threatened gang rape. This is simply not true. Let me show you Biblically the truth about Sodom and Gomorrah.

In Genesis 13:13 it is written “But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.” This scripture is twenty-five years before the actual destruction of the cities. Note that there is no mention whatsoever of gang rapes or lustful sex between men. Sodom’s inhabitants were not only wicked, they were exceedingly wicked.  There are a multitude of references to the wickedness of the people who lived in that area. In Ezekiel 16:48-50 God compares Jerusalem to Sodom, saying “Sodom never did what you and your daughters have done.” He explains that the sin of Sodom was that “She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me.” Indeed, there were all sorts of deviant sexual behavior going on as well. In the book of Jude, chapter 1:7, it is written “just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.” Imagine how terrible it must have been to live there as a righteous person! This was what Abram’s nephew Lot had to deal with on a daily basis.

So God had known about the iniquities of Gomorrah and Sodom for a number of years, perhaps hoping that the people would repent of their ways. Finally, though according to the scripture in Genesis 18, the Lord decided to go to the cities and see if it was as sinful as the multitude of entreating prayers pleading to him:

20Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous

21that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

The Lord and two angels were with Abram at the time, looking down upon Sodom. Abram begged the Lord to spare Sodom if there were at least 50 good men in the city, and the Lord agreed. Abram kept lowering the number until he had gotten the Lord to spare the city if just ten good people could be found. Ten people out of the whole city! Do you think you could find ten righteous people where you live? Sodom and Gomorrah must have been in pretty bad shape.

Genesis Chapter 19 explains in detail what happened when the 2 angels go to Sodom. Read it for yourself:

1The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground.

2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”

“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate.

4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house.

5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him

7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing.

8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9  “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door.

11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here,

13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”

14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the Lord is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.

15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”

16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the Lord was merciful to them.

17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”

18 But Lot said to them, “No, my lords, please!

19 Your servant has found favor in your eyes, and you have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can’t flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I’ll die.

20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn’t it? Then my life will be spared.”

21 He said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of.

22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” (That is why the town was called Zoar.)

23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land.

24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens.

25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land.

Read verses 12 and 13 again. The angels told Lot that God had sent them to destroy the city before they had even arrived. The incident at Lot’s home only provided the icing on the cake. I believe God knew before He even bartered with Abram that there weren’t even ten good people in the city.

Let’s go back to part of Matthew Vine’s statement about Sodom and Gomorrah. He said:

“For centuries, this story was interpreted as God’s judgment on same-sex relations, but the only form of same-sex behavior described is a threatened gang rape.”

Yes, perhaps the majority of people who read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah without any other context or understanding of the peripheral Biblical passages about the cities interpreted their destruction as God’s judgment on same-sex relations. In fact, the entire male population did go there to ‘have’ the two ‘men.’ However, plenty of other scriptures speak to generalized wicked and deviant behavior. Isaiah 1:9-10, Isaiah 3:9 and Isaiah 13:19-22 addresses people as from Sodom and Gomorrah, associates Sodom with shameless sinning and tells Babylon that it will end like Sodom and Gomorrah.  Jeremiah 23:14, Jeremiah 49:17-18, Jeremiah 50:39-40 and Lamentations 4:6  associate Sodom and Gomorrah with adultery and lies, prophesies the fate of Edom, south of the Dead Sea, prophesies the fate of Babylon and uses Sodom as a comparison.

This is the first of six Biblical references Mr. Vine attempts to use to justify allowing gays to be accepted in the Christian faith. He isn’t speaking about letting gays attend church. God forbid a congregation of disciples of Christ refuse to allow a same sex couple from coming to church! That sort of behavior is not accepted in the body of Christ. What Mr. Vines wants, however, is for Christianity to go against the Word of God and stop considering homosexuality a sin. That will not happen, dear reader. Who among us has the authority to say that something so clearly a sin should not be a sin any longer? That would be the exact same as swingers trying to eliminate the sins of fornication and adultery from Christianity. I don’t think so.

Here is the bottom line of Christianity: SALVATION. We are all sinners and all fall short of the glory to God. The only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ, who sacrificed his very life for the sins of the world, past, present and future. The only way to receive this gift is to admit being a hopeless sinner and to ask for forgiveness, to believe that Jesus died for your sins and then rose from the dead and lives today with God, to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, and to submit your life to him. It doesn’t mean all of the above EXCEPT holding on to a certain sin because you think it isn’t. It doesn’t mean that you won’t be tempted again. It means trusting Jesus to know what is right, to take his word for it – the Holy Bible –  and to have faith that he will lead you in the direction you should go for your salvation through the power of the Holy Spirit. Christianity is not all about “Don’t do this or you’re going to Hell.” It is about God loving the world SO much that He sent His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him will have everlasting life. It’s about Salvation, my friend.

The next blog post will deal with Matthew Vine’s misinterpretation of the plainest scripture against homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22.

8 Comments

    1. That depends on what your definition of ‘same-sex partner’ is. If it involves having sex with someone of the same sex, that would be a sin. If I live with another man, that is not a sin. If we engage in sex, then it is a sin. Leviticus 18:22 says a man should not lay with another man as he would a woman. But Jesus raised the bar, didn’t he? In Matthew 5:28 he said that if you have lust in your heart you have committed a sin. It doesn’t matter if you lust after a man or a woman, lust is sin. A man can have such a deep and abiding love for another man, and love is right and good, BUT if a man has sexual desires for another man or engages in sexual acts with another man, it is a sin. It is called fornication. Man on man, woman on woman, man on woman, fornication is a sin.

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  1. OK so just being homosexual is a sin because looking at someone with lust is a sin. Even if you have no wife because pre-marital sex is a sin. Even if you have never actually have sex with someone of the same sex.

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    1. Here are the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:

      27. “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY’;
      28. but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.…

      Adultery is a sin, according to God:

      “You shall not commit adultery.” Deuteronomy 5:18

      So, in answer to your supposition: If a person has lust in their heart for another person, they have committed adultery. Now, it’s important to note that Jesus said “Everyone who looks at a woman with lust…” Do you think by not saying “a woman or a man” he is implying it is ok for a woman or another man to lust after a man? Anyone who thinks that is valid logic would also say it is ok to stick a fork in their eye and then sue a fork manufacturer because it doesn’t explicitly say “Do not stick this product in your eye.”

      Note also that there is a solution to sin: Salvation. Too often people focus on the consequence of sin instead of the consequence of salvation.

      I want to make sure I answer you completely. You say “so just being homosexual is a sin because looking at someone with lust is a sin” YES, adultery is a sin. Looking at someone with lust in their heart has committed sin. Doesn’t matter if it is man lusting after a woman or another man, or a woman lusting after a man or another woman. Is just being homosexual a sin? Of course, according to the Bible. Homosexuality is having sexual relations with someone of the same gender. Does all this mean a homosexual is doomed to hell? NO!!! That is the Good News, and the word ‘gospel’ means ‘good news’. And Jesus is THE Good News.

      Please let me know if I answer your question adequately, Bera.

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      1. Uh no, God said the city was extremely wicked what do you think he was talking about? Especially when those filthy men try to lay with the angels. Of course he destroyed it because of the swinging and gay disgustingness. Homosexuals have a right to change and be straight and serve God but not if they continue being gay. If so they will be destroyed.

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